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Can action be taken against the nick lucifer? All his accounts bet the same matches, I believe action was taken for previous clone accounts

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As quote originally posted by fate_87:

Can action be taken against the nick lucifer? All his accounts bet the same matches, I believe action was taken for previous clone accounts

Admins will investigate according bro. If clone, actions will be taken

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How to verify that they’re clones if he doesn’t openly admit?

Same I.P. address?
If your siblings all live under one roof and have accounts with AB, namely BCM, BCN, BCO, etc, sharing the family desktop, won’t it be the same IP address?
Dont tell me all of you are clones. Are there any ruling against the entire family clan becoming members of AB and using ABTC as a friendly competition between yourselves?

As for betting on the same matches, or for that matter even placing the same bets on them, are there also any rulings against that here or in reality?

Please do not misconstrue that I approve of such behavior in TC.
I’m just stating a fact that in the case of any reasonable doubt, benefit must be accorded to the ‘accused’ in the spirit of all laws.

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quote originally posted by fate_87:

Can action be taken against the nick lucifer? All his accounts bet the same matches, I believe action was taken for previous clone accounts

quote originally posted by B_C_M:

Admins will investigate according bro. If clone, actions will be taken

I hope I have addressed your query and perhaps that of many here. Show us the proofs that they are clones and I’ll forward them for immediate action. Else, all these remain speculations and do not insist on AB taking any rash actions.

I can assure you that Mr AB has a backup plan to preserve the integrity of ABTC in such dubious cases.

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quote originally posted by wembly:

How to verify that they’re clones if he doesn’t openly admit?
Same I.P. address?
If your siblings all live under one roof and have accounts with AB, namely BCM, BCN, BCO, etc, sharing the family desktop, won’t it be the same IP address?
Dont tell me all of you are clones. Are there any ruling against the entire family clan becoming members of AB and using ABTC as a friendly competition between yourselves?
As for betting on the same matches, or for that matter even placing the same bets on them, are there also any rulings against that here or in reality?
Please do not misconstrue that I approve of such behavior in TC.
I’m just stating a fact that in the case of any reasonable doubt, benefit must be accorded to the ‘accused’ in the spirit of all laws.
This message was edited by wembly on 06-Dec-2018 @ 7:13 PM

Okay. If you really seriously believe all the Lucifer nicks are different person betting the exact same matches, more power to you. In this case, next season , my family will be creating fate_88, fate_89, fate_90 and we will bet the exact same matches. If I'm lucky enough, we will take up slots in the top 50. Since it's not breaking any rules and it's fair for everyone.

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quote originally posted by fate_87:

I will give you a satisfactory answer come the end of this TC season.
Your siblings can then decide for themselves if they want to follow suit next season.

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quote originally posted by wembly:

Quote me for what???

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Want to meet for quote originally posted by B_C_M:

Quote me for what???

Want to meet???

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

Want to meet???

Meet for what???
I quote because you guys raise the query

If you cherish your hard work here, just do your part.
You don’t have to like me, you just have to like the forum.
Dont use the forum to serve your own agenda.
Anyone who brings this forum into disrepute or believe that they are above the forum rules will always be my enemies here.

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quote originally posted by wembly:

Meet for what???
I quote because you guys raise the query

If you cherish your hard work here, just do your part.
You don’t have to like me, you just have to like the forum.
Dont use the forum to serve your own agenda This message was edited by wembly on 07-Dec-2018 @ 9:28 PM

Of course I love this website or else...

Enjoy your stay here

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

Of course I love this website or else...

Enjoy your stay here

If you love this forum, you will not disregard admins’ advice to clarify your picks.
You won’t say things like ‘If I meet him outside, I will ...’
Words as such has a criminal implication. Read the rules and regulations and you’ll know that you can be sent packing.

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Your memories quote originally posted by wembly:

Your memory are good. Wordless...

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

Your memory are good. Wordless...

Don’t force me to tarnish your hard-earned reputation by throwing all your deeds into the open.
All your warnings are backed up by evidences and my actions are all backed up by admins fyi

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quote originally posted by wembly:

Don’t force me to tarnish your hard-earned reputation by throwing all your deeds into the open.
All your warnings are backed up by evidences and my actions are all backed up by admins fyi

We are not young anymore

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

We are not young anymore

So?
That means you can do whatever you fancy here with no regards for the rules and regulations?

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quote originally posted by wembly:

So?
That means you can do whatever you fancy here with no regards for the rules and regulations?

Don’t put your own words into others.

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

Don’t put your own words into others.

Enough said ok?
Just do your part for the betterment of AB and your followers.

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quote originally posted by wembly:

Enough said ok?
Just do your part for the betterment of AB and your followers.

You too.. do your part

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

You too.. do your part

Of course.
If you think that I’m out of line in any way, raise an official complaint.
There’s a proper channel here. I’m not above the rules either

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I will quote originally posted by wembly:

Of course.
If you think that I’m out of line in any way, raise an official complaint.
There’s a proper channel here. I’m not above the rules either

I will of course.

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

I will of course.

Well, so far you haven’t but instead resorted to vulgarities and threat.
My only guess is that you know you’re in the wrong.
Catch me when I’m in the wrong IF you can.....that’s a big IF

PS : By the way, I didn’t even quote you for my siblings reply. I was simply replying to TS

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Well, so far you haven’t but instead resorted to vulgarities and threat.
My only guess is that you know you’re in the wrong.
Catch me when I’m in the wrong IF you can.....that’s a big IF This message was edited by wembly on 07-Dec-2018 @ 10:14 PM

Don’t abuse your authority. I will be “catching” you.

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Don’t abuse your authority. I will be “catching” you.

Be my guest.
I’ll never shy away from taking on members who are out to damage this forum, so you’ll have plenty of opportunities.

This message was edited by wembly on 07-Dec-2018 @ 10:20 PM

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Be my guest.

We shall see who is the loser

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

We shall see who is the loser

In this thread alone, I’ve already proven you wrong.
I did not quote you with my siblings reply.
I only quoted both you and TS re the action that we will take at the end of TC.
Look properly before you throw any accusation in future ok?

I’m not interested in your challenge to be honest.
Whoever wins, AB will lose out.

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quote originally posted by wembly:

This is CYBER. If real world.. I think it will not be easily settled

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quote originally posted by B_C_M:

This is CYBER. If real world.. I think it will not be easily settled

Noted......with trepidation

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Noted......with trepidation

That’s good. Glad to hear that

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quote originally posted by fate_87:

Can action be taken against the nick lucifer? All his accounts bet the same matches, I believe action was taken for previous clone accounts

i will directly ask AB about these few nicks, thanks for bringing it

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i will directly ask AB about these few nicks, thanks for bringing it

Np bro. Why my thread asking for some justice become so drama? Lol

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Np bro. Why my thread asking for some justice become so drama? Lol

hahahaha!

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Np bro. Why my thread asking for some justice become so drama? Lol

Lol, let’s just put it this way, the process of seeking justice is often arduous & dramatic....but
justice will always prevail in the end.

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Lol, let’s just put it this way, the process of seeking justice is often arduous & dramatic....but
justice will always prevail in the end. This message was edited by wembly on 11-Dec-2018 @ 4:08 PM

This word JUSTICE is the best quote from you. The rest.. don’t need

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This word JUSTICE is the best quote from you. The rest.. don’t need

Why quote me??? I wasn’t even replying you in the first place.
So only you can quote others but not the other way around ?
You are more equal than others here?

The word ‘justice’ has no association with you whatsoever.
For you to even mention it is unbefitting

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12-Dec 2018 Wednesday 6:52 PM (1952 days ago)

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I believe in RETRIBUTION too.

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12-Dec 2018 Wednesday 6:54 PM (1952 days ago)

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I believe in RETRIBUTION too.

I do too.
Enjoy your stay here in the meantime.
For your sake, I’ll advise you not to quote me any further.
Your ugly side is almost totally exposed in this thread alone.
Save a little face for yourself here

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12-Dec 2018 Wednesday 7:00 PM (1952 days ago)

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Same same...LOL

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12-Dec 2018 Wednesday 7:02 PM (1952 days ago)

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Same same...LOL

In the meantime, I’ve posed you some questions on your English Tipster Competiton thread, care to clarify there?

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 1:14 PM (1929 days ago)

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quote originally posted by RosstonChan:

Still have medal

I heard from admin webmaster has already deemed it to be ok. So I guess nothing is gonna be done bro

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 1:21 PM (1929 days ago)

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quote originally posted by fate_87:

I heard from admin webmaster has already deemed it to be ok. So I guess nothing is gonna be done bro

On some days I felt like he was arbitrage betting, betting opposite outcomes on his accounts.

But in my opinion, what he achieved is still amazing. At least good thing is he didn't take more than 1 place in top 50.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 3:20 PM (1929 days ago)

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Please read my thread titled ‘Dubious Multinicks .....’
Rather than taking rash actions to simply remove someone, we have to consider the bigger picture and adopt a measure that serves AB community better.

I hope I've given you a satisfactory answer at the end of TC which I promised I would in the midst of your query here. As for your thought of asking your 'siblings' to take part in the next TC, we welcome it and hope that they can similarly be a guiding light to the members here .....IF they and you are willing to provide yeomen service with nothing to show for your efforts at the end of it.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 5:09 PM (1929 days ago)

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quote originally posted by RosstonChan:

Bro simply put, clones or not, nobody cares. If u wanna do the same thing, you're welcome to do it. So live and let go. Time to move on. Even if u have clone accounts, it still needs some skill to have both in top 50 for the majority of the season.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 5:37 PM (1929 days ago)

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RosstonChan,
It does not matter if they are clones or otherwise.
All their prizes/ medals will be withheld.
AB has every right to call the final shot

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 5:56 PM (1929 days ago)

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On a personal note, may I urge you, RosstonChan, to believe in the wisdom & common sense of AB admins and not try to harass us with persistent pms to various admins in your pursuit of justice.

We seek yours and others’ understanding in this regard for any matter that may arise in future. Thank you.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:17 PM (1929 days ago)

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Let the authority do the investigation and await the verdict. Stay calm

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quote originally posted by fate_87:

I’m glad you accept the final judgement. I’ve to reply the way I did for obvious reasons at the start of your query.
The last thing we need is for those accounts to drop out of TC. Their punting consistency is a ‘gift’ to AB.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:22 PM (1929 days ago)

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Let the authority do the investigation and await the verdict. Stay calm

As for you, please do not attempt to make use of an ‘official complaint’ thread to pursue a personal agenda.
How you treat your ‘competition thread’ at the English Forum does not apply to the mentality here.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:22 PM (1929 days ago)

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quote originally posted by fate_87:

It is alway better to mind own business then go chaos.. right choice bro

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:23 PM (1929 days ago)

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What’s your personal agenda then in AB?

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:25 PM (1929 days ago)

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What’s your personal agenda then in AB?

I will issue you a yc if you persist with your nonsense in this thread.
This is simply not the right forum for such discussions.
My personal agenda has nothing to do with TC matters

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:38 PM (1929 days ago)

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I understand and always appreciate what you're doing for this forum. I just felt that it's not fair for one fella to occupy 2 spots in the top 50 betting the same matches. Cause that will prevent 1 other real member who is trying to get in. But if end of the day, webmaster decides it is acceptable, who am I to argue? I have absolutely no qualms on the current verdict

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Their places in the top 50 have been given to the next best placed finishers.
There’s still one account #19 in the top 50 now (He must have been missighted after surging from below). I’ve already notified Webnaster for him to be removed as well. The current no #51 will take over his place.

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04-Jan 2019 Friday 6:48 PM (1929 days ago)

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Thank you for ‘standing up’ for this forum but always have faith in AB to make the right call at the end.
Do not let a temporary sense of injustice get the better of your emotions.

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